government over the last 10, 12 years, maybe you do understand why there might -- some people might think that. they see a lot of hype about they claim they will save money over here, see waste over there. it's that disillusionment that some in the middle -- for what it's worth, he said he was a mccain voter, he drove 300 miles to come to this town hall. again, he said i think the president answered the question as best he could. he believed the president was sincere, but i think where the disbelief comes from is this idea, well, once government spends money, they never know how to save it after that. that cynicism is one of the great challenges this administration has had to deal with, starting with bank bailouts. >> thank you, chuck todd. looks like you have to get on the plane. >> i guess so. >> all right, sir. joining me now, "time"